Last Updated on February 18, 2019 by Lawrence Berezin
Bus stop parking ticket
Can you beat this bus stop parking ticket?
Your client recently graduated from medical school. He attended an interview for a resident position at St. Barnabas Hospital in the Bronx. Dr. Doctor had a great interview. But, when he returned to his car he found an orange parking ticket under his wiper. Yikes! He was charged with parking in a bus stop zone. But, Dr. Doctor did not see a bus stop sign when he parked.
The place of occurrence entered on the parking ticket was in “front of 4422 Third Avenue in the Bronx. ” But, 4422 Third Avenue was the street address for the entire side of St. Barnabas Hospital, almost three city blocks long. Yikes! Yikes!
Dr. Doctor searched for the address on the DOT Parking Ticket Regulations Map and to his dismay found a bus stop sign in front of the emergency entrance to St. Barnabas Hospital. But, in real life, the bus stop zone was across the street from the entrance to the emergency room, and besides, Dr. Doctor parked much further up the block, near the East 182 Street entrance to the hospital.
Dr. Doctor did not take any photos of his parking space but clearly remembers parking near the East 182 entrance much further up the block.
Can you beat this ticket for Dr. Doctor?
Bus stop parking ticket challenges
Here are some of your challenges:
-You don’t have any photo evidence of your client’s car in his parking space
-Your client’s story conflicts with the official records (DOT Parking Regulations Map shows a bus stop zone) Who is a judge going to believe?
-Your client says he didn’t park in the bus stop zone shown on the DOT Parking Regulations Map, but how are you going to prove it because the DOT Map showed a bus stop zone “in front of 4422 Third Avenue.” And, again, who is the judge going to believe when the official records show a bus stop zone right by the emergency room entrance to the hospital, in front of the place of occurrence entered on the bus stop ticket?
-Your client actually parked near theEast 182 Street entrance up the block, and not in a phantom, non-existent bus stop zone near the emergency room entrance by East 183 Street.
-Google Maps shows images of a bus stop zone opposite, 4422 Third Avenue, but mistakenly placed a tiny, blue bus stop icon in front of 4422 Third Avenue
Are there too many “bad, incorrect” facts to explain away?
Strategy
How to persuade the judge that the official DOT Parking Regulations Map was wrong AND the tiny blue bus stop icon was misplaced?
I searched Google Maps Street View to see if it concurred with the official DOT Map. Fortunately for the good guys, Google Maps had some convincing images that conflicted with the DOT Map. Google displayed a bus stop across the street from the place of occurrence (but the image of the bus stop across the street was not current and there was a tiny blue bus stop icon somewhat on the same side of the street as the place of occurrence).
I looked closer at the curb where the bus stop was supposed to be and found a curb cut. There shouldn’t be a curb cut in the middle of a bus stop zone inviting people to enter the roadway at a very dangerous location.
Although the Google images were not current, they weren’t that old either. I didn’t think a judge would believe that the bus stop was changed from across the street from the place of occurrence to in front of the place of occurrence in such a short period of time. Or, that there were two bus stops on the exact opposite sides of the street on Third Avenue. I believed the tiny bus stop icon was either misplaced or was in the middle of the street.
How to persuade the judge that Dr. Doctor parked near the entrance to the hospital by East 182 Street?
Dr. Doctor had his interview in the human resources building. I found the human resources building on the map and luckily it was near the East 182 entrance and far away from the East 183 entrance. My theory was that it made a lot more sense to park near the building Dr. Doctor was scheduled to be interviewed
Evidence
Commentary
We won. The nasty ticket was dismissed!
I totally believed Dr. Doctor and thought he deserved a good fight to beat the evil bus stop ticket. Even though I didn’t think we had the best chance of winning, I thought we had a good chance to beat the ticket if our case was assigned to an open-minded judge.
This is why, especially with multi-issue, challenging cases you need to have a strategy. It isn’t sufficient to simply argue there wasn’t a bus stop where you parked You gotta offer persuasive evidence to overcome the unfavorable evidence against you.
In this case, I told the story of a young doctor trying to find a vacant parking space to attend his resident’s interview. My evidence was like a storyboard showing the route taken by the doctor who ended up near the entrance to the hospital where the human resources building was located.
A good story will capture the attention of a judge (or your 7-year old granddaughter!)
Park safely!
Larry, thanks again for this great and helpful website. I successfully disputed a ticket that was issued for parking in a No-Standing zone. The ALJ agreed with my argument and ruled that the signs were not clear and therefore dismissed the ticket. HOWEVER, not only was a ticket issued, but my vehicle was towed simultaneously. I paid $185 plus credit card fees to get my car out of the pound and found a nice, crisp ticket ($115 BTW) awaiting on my windshield at the pound. Upon my incredulous reaction to seeing this ticket which translates in my mind to the proverbial kick while I was already down, the Traffic agent that escorted me to my car said, “Don’t worry, you don’t have to pay that right now, you have 30 days.” But why do I have a ticket on top of all this? “We can’t tow a vehicle without it being in violation.”
As you can imagine, my question is this, since the violation which formed the basis of my tow has been dismissed, how do I go about getting reimbursed for my towing fees? I already called 311 but they were unable to help me. They only recommended I go to a local business center to see what they can do. Knowing how happy of a place those can be and the simple fact that I already lost time at work to deal with the tow to begin with, I want to avoid having to go there and potentially waste more of my time. The 311 rep also gave me the name for the Commissioner of DOF, whose phone number I will find out, but I prefer not going straight to the top with this unless I have to. Any guidance you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Hi, Justin,
Sorry to learn about the painful tow experience.
Here’s a link to apply for a tow refund.
Good luck.
Regards,
Larry
Hi, you helped me figure out how to dispute my parking ticket related to a bus stop recently, and I just wondered if you could tell me….how long does it take to get a decision? My dispute was submitted Aug. 2nd, and now it’s Aug. 16th. Should I be worried? Sincerely, Mike
Hi, Mike,
Good afternoon.
I’m sorry for the delay but I just returned from a visit with my children and granddaughter in Seattle
That depends:
-Online. It takes about 10-14 days to get a decision
-By Mail. It takes about 30-days to get a decision
Let me know the outcome.
Good luck.
Regards,
Larry
Recently I got a bus stop ticket and towing refund. I had mistakenly parked in a bus lane but the officer’s description of the location was incorrect. Here is my letter:
“Dear honorable judge:
I plead not guilty on the following grounds:
The summons does not accurately record the location of the alleged violation, a required element for a valid summons. The location is noted as “N/S Dekalb Ave 60ft E/of Fulton St”. This location is not consistent with any location in Brooklyn for the following two reasons:
(1) Dekalb Ave does not intersect Fulton street at any point.
(2) Dekalb Ave is at all points north of Fulton St.
In support of the first contention (1) that Dekalb Ave does not intersect Fulton street, I present the following evidence:
The New York City Department of Transportation map (DOTmap) shows that although Dekalb Ave and Fulton St approach each other at their western limits, they do not intersect (Exhibit A). A zoomed-out view of the map clearly shows that Dekalb Ave and Fulton St widely diverge as they run east (Exhibit B). They do not intersect at any point.
Additional supporting evidence that Dekalb Ave and Fulton St do not intersect can be found on the official website of New York City. A query of the New York City map (NYCityMap), using the intersection search function, for the intersection of Dekalb Ave and Fulton St in Brooklyn results in the following notice “Location was not understood” (Exhibit C). Similar results are found with the DOTmap intersection search function (Exhibit D).
In support of the second contention (2) that Dekalb is always north of Fulton St, I refer the court to the DOTmap exhibits presented (Exhibits A & B). Dekalb Ave can be seen north of Fulton St at all points on these exhibits. “Dekalb Ave 60ft E/of Fulton St” in not a coherent location.
The cumulative evidential power of the four exhibits is compelling – the location noted on the summons is not a consistent description of any location in Brooklyn. The place of occurrence has not been accurately recorded in the summons. I request that the incomplete, invalid summons be dismissed.
Thank you”
Hi, Sam,
Wow! I’m coming to work for you!
Terrific job.
Thanks so much for sharing your winning defense statement with us.
Regards,
Larry