Last Updated on March 18, 2024 by Lawrence Berezin
A defective body type required element is a get-out-of-jail-free card
Joe was furious when he returned to his chariot and found a bright orange parking ticket for parking too close to a fire hydrant silently resting under his windshield wiper. Joe was absolutely certain he parked more than 15 feet away from the pump. Joe even walked off the distance between his car and the pump using his size 13 shoes as a “ruler.”
Since Joe was an avid reader of Larry’s Blog (a little self-promotion music maestro, please), he knew the first thing to do was to check the front of his NYC parking ticket for omitted, misdescribed, or illegible required elements. Wow! Joe found a defect. His car is a 2DSD and the parking ticket warrior entered 4DSD. Joe let out a wild shriek…”I’m home free. I win!”
But does he?
What standard does NYC apply to determine whether the body type of a vehicle is misdescribed?
If Joe’s car is registered in NY State, the body type entered on the parking ticket must be an exact match of the body type listed on Joe’s vehicle registration.
However, the Evil Empire asserts that the body type only has to be “reasonably accurate,” if Joe’s car is registered in another state.
What in the Mayor Michael Bloomberg does “reasonably accurate” mean? That depends on the eye of the beholder parking ticket judge (you say tomato, I say Tomah to).
To make matters more confusing, my experience is that some of our parking ticket judges will dismiss a parking ticket for 4DSD versus 2DSD while other judges will not; regardless of the state of registration.
However, according to the court in Crichlow v NYC Dept. of Fin. Adjudication Div., 2011 NY Slip Op 50765(U) Decided on April 28, 2011, Supreme Court, Queens County McDonald, J., NYC is required to dismiss a parking ticket issued to a vehicle if the warrior inserts 2DSD instead of 4DSD regardless of the state of registry (in this case, the vehicle was registered in the great state of Virginia):
“With respect to Violation No. 7324225871, this court finds that although the description of the body of the vehicle as a sedan was correct, it is not disputed that the vehicle was a two- door sedan and not a four-door sedan. Thus, the summons which described the body type as “4DSD” contained a misdescription of the vehicle. In respondent’s memorandum of law they concede that the two-door vehicle was misdescribed, however, respondent contends that “the identification of the two-door sedan as a four-door sedan on a parking ticket is not a fatal mistake, because it does not reach the level of misdescription of the body type as required by “VTL §238.”
However, the Court of Appeals clearly stated in Matter of Wheels, Inc., v Parking Violations Bureau, 80 NY2d 1014 [1992] that a misdescription of any of the five mandatory identification elements mandates dismissal. Contrary to the respondent’s contention, the Court of Appeals ruling in Matter of Wheels, Inc, supra., does not give for levels of misdescription and it does not give for an exception for small errors. Here, because the body type of the car was clearly misdescribed, the Adjudication Bureau was mandated to dismiss the summons pursuant to VTL§ 238(2-b)(a). Thus, as the determination of the Appeals Board was based upon an error of law, the determination of the Board with respect to Violation No. 7324225871 must be annulled.
Accordingly based upon the foregoing it is hereby
ORDERED that with respect to Parking Violation No. 7324225871, the finding of the Adjudication Board is annulled and the City of New York, Department of Finance shall refund to the petitioner the total sum of $145.00…”
You may wish to read the granddaddy of all cases, Matter of Ryder Truck Rental Inc. et al., 62 NY 2d 667 (1984)
“The body type of my chariot is an SUV, not a Suburban”
Do you make this common mistake?
NY Vehicle and Traffic Law (also applied by NYC) defines “suburban” for parking ticket purposes as:
“The term “suburban” is the term used in the NY Vehicle and Traffic Law to describe the body type of a vehicle that:
Has windows on the side in the rear, and Has seats in the rear that can be folded or removed so the vehicle can carry cargo.
The law defines a suburban as a vehicle that can be used to carry passengers and cargo. Vehicles that can be registered with the suburban body type include station wagons, sport utility vehicles, hearses, and ambulances. The body type code for a suburban that appears on registration documents and records is SUBN.
Other common body types and codes for vehicles registered in the passenger vehicle class are Sedan (SDN), a two-door sedan (2DSD) and a four-door sedan (4DSD). A sedan is normally designed to carry passengers and does not have rear seats that can be folded down or removed to carry cargo.”
In other words, an SUV is one of the types of vehicles that fall under the broader category of SUBN for NYC parking ticket purposes.
Commentary
So Larry, what are the takeaways in this blog post:
- Always, every time, check for omitted, misdescribed, and illegible required elements on the front of your parking ticket
- NYC DOF applies a different standard to vehicles registered in NY versus the standard it applies to out-of-state vehicles when judging the accuracy of the body type required element
- The body type entered on an NYC parking ticket for a vehicle registered in NY must be an exact match to the body type listed on the vehicle registration
- According to NYC DOF, the standard for deciding the accuracy of the body type inserted on an NYC parking ticket for a vehicle registered in another state must only be “reasonably accurate”
- Always, every time, check 4DSD versus 2DSD
- NYC is required by case-law to enter an exact match. If your car is a 2DSD the warrior must enter 2DSD on your parking ticket, regardless of the state of registry (not 4DSD or SUBN, or…)
- Be wary that some parking ticket judges do not consider it necessary to differentiate between 2D and 4D
- Be wary that some parking ticket judges consider describing your 2DSD as a 4DSD is “reasonably accurate,” and will not dismiss your parking ticket
- An SUV is a type of SUBN and is accurately described as an SUBN on an NYC parking ticket
In my humble opinion, a 2DSD is not, nor will it ever be, legally or accurately described as a 4DSD, regardless of the state of registration of your chariot ( “Home Rule” be damned!).
Here’s my litmus test…What happens to you when your spouse orders a 2DSD and you bring home a 4DSD? You’re toast, right? And, so is the warrior who can’t count the number of doors on your vehicle; and the judge who thinks the difference doesn’t legally matter; or is “reasonably accurate.”
Always fight a parking ticket for a misdescribed body type required element. I suggest you submit photographs of your chariot and a copy of the registration.
Last night, we forgot to move our roommate’s Hyundai Santa Fe. By the time we realized it, it was well past the street cleaning time. Picked up our 45 dollar ticket off the wind shield to find the body type marked as 4dsd. From what I read, you say this vehicle would be considered either an SUV or a SUBN. Do you think this ticket is worth contesting?
George,
Oops…We better act quickly.
Is your roommate’s car registered in NY?
If so, the body type must match the registration.
If your roommate’s car is registered out-of-state, there is the law and the Evil Empires interpretation of the law.
Let’s start with the registration…How does the registration describe the body type?
Quickly now, before your roommate finds out…
Best,
Larry
Her vehicle is registered in NJ. Couldnt find her registration to check it.
I actually got here because I was looking up something similar, I have a 2009 Audi A5 Coupe that’s a 2 door and the parking ticket I got states it as a 4DSD.
I was first trying to find out what 4DSD is because I was going to mention “well, that’s not my car”.
Luckily, the car was bought and registered in New York state.
Doug,
I got here because I was looking for something similar, too, Doug.
The universe works in wondrous ways.
You raise a great point.
The simple answer is that misdescribing a 2DSD (2-door sedan) by calling it a 4DSD is your get out of jail free card, with one kinda big but.
Judge’s hate, detest and despise dismissing a parking ticket for not being able to count the doors on a chariot. They go through all sorts of contortions to avoid declaring you the winner for raising that defense.
The good news is that the law is clear…A warrior or cop has to count the number of doors correctly to win.
I suggest fighting the parking ticket online. Plead not guilty because of a misdescribed required element. The TEA entered x when your car is a w.
Ask for a dismissal.
Please be sure to submit a copy of your vehicle registration showing it’s a 2DSD and not a 4DSD.
You may lose the first battle, but you’ll appeal and win the war.
Good luck.
Best,
Larry
Politely refer the court to the Crichlow case in your defense certification. Be gentle because they really hate dismissing a ticket for 2D versus 4D.
My parking ticket has BOAT listed in body type. In addition, the street is being transitioned from no parking mon-fri to no parking, period (this was on a sunday). I have video showing the sign that states I can be parked there. Should I burn a DVD to send in (do they look at those) or is the body type mistake enough? It looks like I can’t send video evidence online (5 mb limit), is that correct? (Nissan versa, nj plate) Sorry for so many questions.
Tim,
Good morning.
Hahaha. And I thought I was the only one who fought a parking ticket because the warrior described the body type as a boat…we won.
Body type is a required element. If it is misdescribed, you win upon application.
Your proof consists of a brief defense summary asking for a dismissal of your parking ticket because the TEA misdescribed the body type of your Nissan Versa, by inserting “Boat” for body type. Submit a copy of your registration to support your defense.
I suggest fighting your ticket online. I love the revised process and had the success our clients deserve.
I’ve never submitted a video.
But, you’re correct about the 5 mb limit.
You don’t need it for this parking ticket.
Let us know how you do.
Good luck.
Best,
Larry
A follow up. Very quickly after submitting evidence online, my “boat” ticket was dismissed. thanks again,
tim
Tim,
Yea!
Thanks for sharing your good news.
Regsrds,
Larry
Are mini vans considered SUBN when they are registered in NJ as van or mini van?
Ryan,
Good morning.
Great question.
You’ve waded into murky waters. Here’s what we know.
1. A minivan can be described as a SUBN
2. The Evil Empire requires a warrior to enter an exact match for the body type of a vehicle registered in NYC. So, if a minivan is described as a SUBN on the vehicle registration, it is a SUBN for parking ticket purposes.
3. For out-of-state vehicles, the Evil Empire applies (albeit incorrectly) a different standard. The description of the body type only has to be “reasonably accurate.” Ergo, under this incorrect standard, a warrior would be permitted to describe the body type of a minivan as a SUBN
4. However, the NY State Court of Appeals has weighed in on this bad behavior. According to the case law (In the Matter of Ryder Truck Rental, Inc., et al.; Matter of Wheels; and Crichlow, the body type of a vehicle must be described correctly regardless of the state of registration.
The murky part is that the Evil Empire disregards these cases and applies its own standard of reasonably accurate. And, since a minivan fits the legal definition of SUBN, it presents an interesting conundrum whether the body type description entered on the parking ticket must be an exact match with the registration since the information is not available to the warrior.
Whew…
If it were me, I would fight the parking ticket online, and raise the defense of a misdescribed body type. Your vehicle is a van.
I would make a reference to the NY courts rulings in the above cases and state that your registration says van.
Attach a copy of your registration as an exhibit.
You should be prepared to file an appeal because the first judge probably won’t deal with the legal issue you raise and hope you’ll vanish after the guilty finding.
If you fight the parking ticket and would like me to review your defense certification and exhibits prior to filing them online, feel free to email me at larry@newyorkparkingticket.com
Good luck, Ryan.
Best,
Larry
Hi, I got a ticket with the officer listing body type as SEDN. However my car is NJ registered SUV (Porsche cayenne). Worth contesting?
Vikrant,
Good morning.
Great question.
NYC interprets the rule for body type for out-of-state vehicles to mean that the warrior’s description must be “reasonably accurate.”
Applying this reasonably accurate standard to your case, it is my humble opinion that “SEDN” is not a reasonably accurate description for an SUV. “SUBN” is a reasonably accurate description but not SEDN.
If it were me, I’d fight this evil ticket.
Please be sure to submit some photographs of your chariot (one must show plate) and
a copy of your vehicle registration.
Let us know how you fare fighting the good fight.
Good luck.
Best,
Larry
Hello,
I got 4 summons for the window tinting in NY. One for each window. Is that common practice? also for the vehicle type, does it have to be 4DSD or 4D. mines say 4D
Reynaldo,
Oh man. What a shame.
I’m glad you only had 4 windows.
Was your chariot registered in NY State? Was your parking ticket printed or handwritten?
Looking forward to your reply.
Regards
Larry
Good morning Larry!
I received a ticket for double parking. I will fight it because I was making a commercial delivery, but on the other note – the PO marked body type as “Delv”, and on the registration it says REFG. Is that a valid defense? or Delv and REFG considered the same?
Thank you very much,
Igor
Dear Igor,
I am sad to report (after dedicating 6 years, 7-days-per-week, with two months off for my heart attack) that I will no longer be answering questions on Larry’s Blog. You’ll find a treasure trove of information in the 746 Blog Posts and growing, F.A.Q.’s, and comments.
If you need help, you may wish to check out of service offerings. Here’s a link.
https://newyorkparkingticket.com/commercial-vehicles/
Hi, if the car is Toyota Minivan and ticket says SUBN. Is it good defense?
Dear Al,
Good morning.
If your Minivan is registered in NY State, check the registration for the body type. It will probably say, “SUBN.” The term, “SUBN” is a legal word for a vehicle that describes a category of vehicles. Here’s a link http://nysdmv.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/491/~/definition-of-suburban-(subn) to the definition.
If your registration describes the body type with another word, you’re a winner.
If your chariot is registered out-of-state, the body type only has to be “reasonably accurate.” The Evil Empire has been very lenient in applying, “reasonably accurate.”
Good luck
Best,
Larry
Hello,
First of all, your site is wonderful, thank you!
I am looking at the tickets and unfortunately I think the only rule that might help me fight this is a mislabeled body type. I have a Mazda 2 – which is a small hatchback, where both back seats DO fold down completely, which makes me think it passes the SUBN test and was mislabeled as a 4DSD on the ticket. Should I submit photos of the car with the seats folded down to show this? I’m out of state. What do you think? I got two tickets and towed so I would love to at least catch a break on the tickets. Thank you!
Dear Tia,
I am sad to report (after dedicating 6 years, 7-days-per-week, with two months off for my heart attack) that I will no longer be answering questions on Larry’s Blog. You’ll find a treasure trove of information in the 746 Blog Posts and growing, F.A.Q.’s, and comments.
If you need help, you may wish to check out of service offerings. Here’s a link.
https://newyorkparkingticket.com/passenger-vehicles
Hello,
I received a ticket for double parking (gone 2 minutes, come on!) and want to dispute it. The ticket says body type is 4DSD, but mine is a 5 door hatchback that should qualify as SUBN. I thought I had a winner here, but to my dismay when I looked at my registration it lists the description as 4DSD (was that my mistake when renewing my registration?) In any case, I was wondering what my chances might be if I dispute it under those grounds, send in photos of the vehicle with the license plate visible, but nix sending a photo of the registration. Or is there a chance I may be incriminating myself here for wrongfully registering my vehicle?
My plan B was to plead a more personal case to try to at least get a reduction in the fine ($115!) as it was a Sunday morning on a side street and I left it parked for 2 minutes, did not obstruct any actual traffic etc.
Which option might be best?
Thanks! This site is amazing.
Hi, Johnny,
Good morning.
Excellent question.
I’ve fought this exact fight, i.e. Sedan vs. Hatchback and won ’em and lost ’em.
(Much easier to win if a car is registered in NY).
But, you can’t beat this ticket if your registration says, 4DSD (Even if it should have said, Hatchback).
Regards,
Larry